Deanandmaria: What you are saying is that the RNG is one and the same for triggering the bonus and determining the values behind the possibilities to be picked. So, the RNG hits the number combo to trigger the bonus, and while you are sitting there, all combinations for possible wins are running behind each and every possibility, which means at any one time the RNG may have 16 or more combos(number of possible icons to pick), as in the Flying monkey, Ruby Slippers machine.?????

I agree that the RNG triggers the bonus. I do not understand how that same RNG could possibly have 16 or more combinations at the SAME TIME by the split second while the player is picking symbols. The possiblity for example, of picking the wicked witch, one out of 16 on the very first pick, seems quite unlikely. Or the blooper bonus in Jackpot party. The mathematical odds of picking the blooper on the first pick would seem unlikely. But many players on this site lament the fact that they hate to do any "picking" bonuses because they always pick the blooper/collect/whatever on the first pick. My overall gaming experience produces more bloopers than continuing bonuses. Why is that? I don't believe my "skill" at picking" or sequence of picking, or timing of picking symbols has anything to do with my win total. My experience,not any technical insight is that: at the time a bonus is triggered, what the RNG number grouping is at that particular split second is the amount the player is going to win. There is no possible way a person can either pick a blooper, or go all the way based on any skill, nor can one RNG be running for so many possibly outcomes on one screen. My belief is that the RNG sets the quantities behind the icons at the time of bonus trigger. Now, I might be full of "hot air", but that is my experience...

I totally agree with you, we have hashed this over on many a bus ride home from the casino. Either we are all extremely unlucky and pick the blooper on the first pick on Jackpot Party or it is a predetermined outcome at the time the bonus is hit. I fail to believe we are all such big losers that again and again we get low paying bonuses or zero bonuses. At least with free spin bonuses I feel like I have half a chance of seeing some $$ but I have gotten many a zero on those also. It's just not like the good old days when you could take $100 to a casino and play all day.

Enough said, hoping 2012 is a great gambling year for everyone. We will be seeing casinos in Ohio for the first time in 2012 and I hope they allow us a little playing time for our hard earned money.

Posted by: slandreas

I totally agree with you, we have hashed this over on many a bus ride home from the casino. Either we are all extremely unlucky and pick the blooper on the first pick on Jackpot Party or it is a predetermined outcome at the time the bonus is hit. I fail to believe we are all such big losers that again and again we get low paying bonuses or zero bonuses. At least with free spin bonuses I feel like I have half a chance of seeing some $$ but I have gotten many a zero on those also. It's just not like the good old days when you could take $100 to a casino and play all day.

Enough said, hoping 2012 is a great gambling year for everyone. We will be seeing casinos in Ohio for the first time in 2012 and I hope they allow us a little playing time for our hard earned money.

New to the Forum, but thought I would add my two cents. I agree that on the majority of games (if not all) the outcome of the bonus round that does or does not involve picking icons, etc., is predetermined. I know the game manufacturers and many players will tell you the outcome of the bonus round is random, but I truly believe the initial RNG outcome dictates how much you win in the bonus regardless of what picks you make.

Happy New Year to everyone and best of luck.

MrSlotMan29

Thank you Slotman and Slandreas....after 10 years of casino visits, I know what I've experienced. Today, played an entirely new machine at Ho-Chunk,never have seen before, get three pearls and then you pick pearls again, and so many "free spins" are awarded. OK.it was 40 minimum cover...There were 12 "free spins" and out of that bonus, got $8.00. Well, it wasn't thrilling, but at least got something.

I will throw my two cents on the bonus thing.I believe it is up to you and here is why.If you play lord of the rings certain bonuses you can literally win nothing.However the ones where you make picks it is impossible to win nothing.Thus it can't be predetermined.Maybe some machines it is predetermined but others not.

Hi Folks:

I am happy to clarify what I know for sure, what I think I know, and what I am not sure of.

To begin ... let's clarify that we are talking about CLASS III machines. These are by far the most common slot machine types in North America. Some jurisdictions like Washing, New York, etc. use CLASS II ... which is actually playing a game of BINGO "under the covers". So ... I'm talking about class III.

When faced with a decision from the player (eg. a picking bonus), the outcome is not predetermined. It is based solely on the player's selections. I have never heard that the values move around. I don't think this is accurate. The values that you see at the end are the values and location they were placed.

So ... if you are always picking the POOPER in Jackpot Party, they you are very unlucky. The odds of picking a POOPER are approx 1-in-6 on the first pick, and get worse as the player picks all the good values. On average, the player should get between 5 or 6 presents --- but, this can me more or less.

Okay ... what I'm not sure of -- there are some manufactures (Konami) who do not show the value of all objects on the screen after the bonus is over. I have heard speculation that these picking bonuses may be predetermined -- and that the player selections do not matter.

Hope this helps to clarify things for everyone!

/\/\/\/\ the Shamus /\/\/\/\

Posted by: The_Shamus

Hi Folks:

I am happy to clarify what I know for sure, what I think I know, and what I am not sure of.

To begin ... let's clarify that we are talking about CLASS III machines. These are by far the most common slot machine types in North America. Some jurisdictions like Washing, New York, etc. use CLASS II ... which is actually playing a game of BINGO "under the covers". So ... I'm talking about class III.

When faced with a decision from the player (eg. a picking bonus), the outcome is not predetermined. It is based solely on the player's selections. I have never heard that the values move around. I don't think this is accurate. The values that you see at the end are the values and location they were placed.

So ... if you are always picking the POOPER in Jackpot Party, they you are very unlucky. The odds of picking a POOPER are approx 1-in-6 on the first pick, and get worse as the player picks all the good values. On average, the player should get between 5 or 6 presents --- but, this can me more or less.

Okay ... what I'm not sure of -- there are some manufactures (Konami) who do not show the value of all objects on the screen after the bonus is over. I have heard speculation that these picking bonuses may be predetermined -- and that the player selections do not matter.

Hope this helps to clarify things for everyone!

/\/\/\/\ the Shamus /\/\/\/\

I certainly respect your opinion and your extensive knowledge of slot machines and how they function. That being said, I still believe the outcome is predetermined. Showing what is behind each Icon after the bonus is over proves nothing except that the processor is fast enough to change the display in less than a nanosecond. There may be a small number of games that are truly random in the bonus round, but I believe 99% of all bonuses are predetermined and challenge anyone to show me something that proves differently.

Happy New Year everyone.

MrSlotMan29

Hi MrSlotMan29:

I can only give you the facts ... I can't make you believe them. I could link you to the Gaming Laboratories manual online -- so you can see the extensive rigor the slot machines have to go through in order to pass regulation.

I assume there must be something driving your skepticism ... when you think about it, there is no reason not to be straightforward with picks. The math will work out the same in the long run.

/\/\/\/\ the Shamus /\/\/\/\

Posted by: The_Shamus

Hi MrSlotMan29:

I can only give you the facts ... I can't make you believe them. I could link you to the Gaming Laboratories manual online -- so you can see the extensive rigor the slot machines have to go through in order to pass regulation.

I assume there must be something driving your skepticism ... when you think about it, there is no reason not to be straightforward with picks. The math will work out the same in the long run.

/\/\/\/\ the Shamus /\/\/\/\

Thanks Shamus. I would appreciate the link. Always open to getting a better education.

Take care,

MrSlotMan29

Posted by: MrSlotManTwenty9

Posted by: The_Shamus

Hi MrSlotMan29:

I can only give you the facts ... I can't make you believe them. I could link you to the Gaming Laboratories manual online -- so you can see the extensive rigor the slot machines have to go through in order to pass regulation.

I assume there must be something driving your skepticism ... when you think about it, there is no reason not to be straightforward with picks. The math will work out the same in the long run.

/\/\/\/\ the Shamus /\/\/\/\

Thanks Shamus. I would appreciate the link. Always open to getting a better education.

Take care,

MrSlotMan29

I'll try to find it for you ... it's not a fun read ... heh heh.

/\/\/\/\ the Shamus /\/\/\/\